Donald Newcomb's Genealogical Database

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Bertrada of Cologne

F, #12551, b. 690, d. 721
Pedigree Link

Family: Charibert of Laon (d. before 762)

DaughterBertrada, of Laon+ (b. 720, d. 783)

Biography

Bertrada of Cologne was born in 690. She died in 721 at age ~31.
Bertrada of Cologne had person sources.1,2
Last Edited22 October 2009

Citations

  1. [S330] Online encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org
  2. [S566] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral roots of certain American colonists who came to America before 1700: the lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and some of their descendants (Baltimore: Genealogical Pub. Co., 2004), p. 218

Adelheid of Vermandois

F, #12552

Parents

FatherCount Pippin II Quentin, of VERMANDOIS (b. about 818, d. after 840)
Pedigree Link
Last Edited1 February 2009

Bertha de Morvois

F, #12553

Parents

Pedigree Link

Family: Count Herbert I of Vermandois, Senlis et Per, (b. about 850, d. BY 907)

DaughterBeatrix of Vermandois+ (b. 880, d. after March 931)
SonCount Herbert II of VERMANDOIS+ (b. about 884, d. 23 February 943)

Biography

Bertha de Morvois had person sources.1
Last Edited1 February 2009

Citations

  1. [S566] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral roots of certain American colonists who came to America before 1700: the lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and some of their descendants (Baltimore: Genealogical Pub. Co., 2004), p. 57, 116

Beatrix of Vermandois

F, #12554, b. 880, d. after March 931

Parents

Pedigree Link

Family: Duke Robert of France (b. about 865, d. about 15 June 923)

SonPrince Hugh ("the White") of France, etc.+ (b. about 895, d. 16 June 956)

Biography

Beatrix of Vermandois was born in 880. Duke Robert of France and she were married after 893.1 She died after March 931.2
Beatrix of Vermandois had person sources.3,1
Last Edited8 December 2010

Citations

  1. [S566] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral roots of certain American colonists who came to America before 1700: the lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and some of their descendants (Baltimore: Genealogical Pub. Co., 2004), p. 61
  2. [S566] Weis, Ancestral roots of certain American colonists who came to America before 1700, p. 56
  3. [S330] Online encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org

Robert "The Strong", count of Tours

M, #12555, b. about 820, d. 15 September 866

Parents

FatherRobert III of Worms (b. say 800, d. BY 834)
MotherWiltrud of Orleans
Pedigree Link

Family: Adelaide of Tours and Alsace (b. 814, d. about 866)

SonDuke Robert of France+ (b. about 865, d. about 15 June 923)

Biography

Robert "The Strong" was born about 820. He and Adelaide of Tours and Alsace were married about 864.1 He died on 15 September 866.1
Reference nr. Weis48-17. Robert "The Strong", count of Tours, had person sources.1
Last Edited8 December 2010

Citations

  1. [S566] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral roots of certain American colonists who came to America before 1700: the lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and some of their descendants (Baltimore: Genealogical Pub. Co., 2004), p. 56

Duke William III ("the Towhead") of Aquitaine

M, #12556, b. 915, d. 3 April 963

Parents

FatherEbles Manzer, of Aquitaine (b. about 870, d. 935)
Pedigree Link

Family: Adele of Normandy (b. before 912, d. 14 October 962)

SonWilliam IV "Iron Arm" of Poitier, Duke of Aquitaine+ (b. 937, d. 3 February 994)
DaughterAdelaide of Aquitaine+ (b. 952, d. 1004)

Biography

William III of Aquitaine was born in 915. He and Adele of Normandy were married in 935. He died on 3 April 963 at age ~48.
Last Edited25 October 2009

Adele of Normandy

F, #12557, b. before 912, d. 14 October 962

Parents

FatherRollo ("the Ganger") of Normandy, 1st Duke (b. about 860, d. 931)
MotherPapia (Poppa) of Senlis (b. 848)
Pedigree Link

Family: Duke William III ("the Towhead") of Aquitaine (b. 915, d. 3 April 963)

SonWilliam IV "Iron Arm" of Poitier, Duke of Aquitaine+ (b. 937, d. 3 February 994)
DaughterAdelaide of Aquitaine+ (b. 952, d. 1004)

Biography

Adele of Normandy was born before 912. Duke William III ("the Towhead") of Aquitaine and she were married in 935. She died on 14 October 962.
Adele of Normandy had person sources.1
Last Edited30 October 2009

Citations

  1. [S330] Online encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org

Eudes\Otto of Poitier, Duke of Aquitaine

M, #12558, d. 1039

Parents

FatherWilliam V of Poitier, Duke of Aquitaine (b. 969, d. 30 January 1030)
MotherSancha of Gascony (d. about 1018)
Pedigree Link

Family: Agnes of Burgundy (b. about 995, d. 1068)

DaughterAgnes of Aquitaine+ (b. circa 1025, d. 14 December 1077)
SonDuke William VIII of Aquitaine, etc+ (b. about 1026, d. 25 September 1086)

Biography

EudesOtto of Poitier, Duke of Aquitaine, and Agnes of Burgundy were married in 1019. He died in 1039.
Last Edited1 February 2009

Agnes of Burgundy

F, #12559, b. about 995, d. 1068
Pedigree Link

Family: EudesOtto of Poitier, Duke of Aquitaine, (d. 1039)

DaughterAgnes of Aquitaine+ (b. circa 1025, d. 14 December 1077)
SonDuke William VIII of Aquitaine, etc+ (b. about 1026, d. 25 September 1086)

Biography

Agnes of Burgundy was born about 995. EudesOtto of Poitier, Duke of Aquitaine, and she were married in 1019. She died in 1068.
Agnes of Burgundy had person sources.1
Last Edited1 February 2009

Citations

  1. [S330] Online encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org

William V of Poitier, Duke of Aquitaine

M, #12560, b. 969, d. 30 January 1030

Parents

FatherWilliam IV "Iron Arm" of Poitier, Duke of Aquitaine (b. 937, d. 3 February 994)
MotherEmma of Blois (b. 950, d. about 1003)
Pedigree Link

Family: Sancha of Gascony (d. about 1018)

SonEudes\Otto of Poitier, Duke of Aquitaine+ (d. 1039)

Biography

William V of Poitier was born in 969. He and Sancha of Gascony were married in 1011. He and Agnaes Countess Of Burgundy were married after 1018. He died on 30 January 1030 at age ~61.1
Last Edited2 May 2009

Citations

  1. [S330] Online encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org

Sancha of Gascony

F, #12561, d. about 1018

Parents

Pedigree Link

Family: William V of Poitier, Duke of Aquitaine, (b. 969, d. 30 January 1030)

SonEudes\Otto of Poitier, Duke of Aquitaine+ (d. 1039)

Biography

William V of Poitier, Duke of Aquitaine, and Sancha of Gascony were married in 1011. She died about 1018.
Last Edited1 February 2009

William IV "Iron Arm" of Poitier, Duke of Aquitaine

M, #12562, b. 937, d. 3 February 994

Parents

FatherDuke William III ("the Towhead") of Aquitaine (b. 915, d. 3 April 963)
MotherAdele of Normandy (b. before 912, d. 14 October 962)
Pedigree Link

Family: Emma of Blois (b. 950, d. about 1003)

SonWilliam V of Poitier, Duke of Aquitaine+ (b. 969, d. 30 January 1030)

Biography

William IV "Iron Arm" of Poitier was born in 937.1 He and Emma of Blois were married in 968. He died on 3 February 994 at age ~57.
Last Edited30 October 2009

Citations

  1. [S330] Online encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org

Emma of Blois

F, #12563, b. 950, d. about 1003

Parents

FatherTheobald I of Blois (d. about 976)
MotherLuitgarde of Vermandois (b. about 914, d. 9 February 978)
Pedigree Link

Family: William IV "Iron Arm" of Poitier, Duke of Aquitaine, (b. 937, d. 3 February 994)

SonWilliam V of Poitier, Duke of Aquitaine+ (b. 969, d. 30 January 1030)

Biography

Emma of Blois was born in 950. William IV "Iron Arm" of Poitier, Duke of Aquitaine, and she were married in 968. She died about 1003.
Last Edited1 February 2009

Hugh Bigod

M, #12564, b. 1099, d. before 9 March 1176/77

Parents

FatherRoger Bigod, Earl of E. Anglia (b. about 1060, d. 8 September 1107)
MotherAdelisa De TOENI (b. 1066, d. 1136)
Pedigree Link

Family: Juliana de Vere (d. about 1199)

SonRoger Bigod, 2nd Earl Norfolk+ (b. about 1130, d. before 2 August 1221)

Biography

Hugh Bigod was born in 1099 at Belvoir Castle in Belvoir, Leicestershire. He and Juliana de Vere were married about 1149. He died before 9 March 1176/77 in Palestine.
Hugh Bigod had person sources.1
Last Edited30 August 2010

Citations

  1. [S532] Gary Boyd Roberts, The royal descents of 500 immigrants to the American colonies or the United States: who were themselves notable or left descendants notable in American history (Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1993), p. 446

Juliana de Vere

F, #12565, d. about 1199

Parents

FatherAubrey de Vere, Justiciar of England (b. 1062, d. 15 May 1141)
MotherAlice De CLARE (b. 1092, d. about 1163)
Pedigree Link

Family: Hugh Bigod (b. 1099, d. before 9 March 1176/77)

SonRoger Bigod, 2nd Earl Norfolk+ (b. about 1130, d. before 2 August 1221)

Biography

Hugh Bigod and Juliana de Vere were married about 1149. She died about 1199.
Juliana de Vere had person sources.1
Last Edited1 February 2009

Citations

  1. [S532] Gary Boyd Roberts, The royal descents of 500 immigrants to the American colonies or the United States: who were themselves notable or left descendants notable in American history (Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1993), p. 446

Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl Norfolk

M, #12566, b. about 1130, d. before 2 August 1221

Parents

FatherHugh Bigod (b. 1099, d. before 9 March 1176/77)
MotherJuliana de Vere (d. about 1199)
Pedigree Link

Family: Ida de Toeni (?) (b. 1150)

DaughterMary Bigod+
SonWilliam Bigod
SonRalph Bigod
SonRoger Bigod
DaughterMargery Bigod
SonHugh Bigod, 3rd Earl Norfolk+ (b. about 1184, d. February 1224/25)

Biography

Roger Bigod was born about 1130. He and Ida de Toeni (?) were married about 1185. He died before 2 August 1221.1
Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl Norfolk, had person sources.2,3,1
Last Edited15 October 2010

Citations

  1. [S566] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral roots of certain American colonists who came to America before 1700: the lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and some of their descendants (Baltimore: Genealogical Pub. Co., 2004), p. 74
  2. [S330] Online encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org
  3. [S532] Gary Boyd Roberts, The royal descents of 500 immigrants to the American colonies or the United States: who were themselves notable or left descendants notable in American history (Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1993), p. 446

Ida de Toeni (?)

F, #12567, b. 1150
Pedigree Link

Family 1: King Henry II ("Curtmantle") Plantagenet, oF England, (b. 25 March 1133, d. 6 July 1189)

SonWilliam Longespee+ (b. circa 1176, d. 7 March 1226)

Family 2: Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl Norfolk, (b. about 1130, d. before 2 August 1221)

DaughterMary Bigod+
SonWilliam Bigod
SonRalph Bigod
SonRoger Bigod
DaughterMargery Bigod
SonHugh Bigod, 3rd Earl Norfolk+ (b. about 1184, d. February 1224/25)

Biography

Ida de Toeni (?) was born in 1150. Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl Norfolk, and she were married about 1185.
The evidence that the mother of Hugh le Bigod (d. bef 18 Feb
1224/5) was Ida de Tony (and not an Ida de Warenne, or 'Plantagenet')
is reasonably persuasive:

1. Leaving aside past discussions accessible in the SGM archives,
Ralph le Bigod (brother of Hugh) was identified by Ray Phair as the
'brother' [actually half-brother] of William Longespee, earl of
Salisbury, from the French account of the prisoners taken at the Battle
of Bouvines in 1214. This provides sound evidence that his mother Ida,
countess of Norfolk, was also the mother of William Longespee by King
Henry II.

2. If this Ida had been the daughter of Hamelin, earl of Warenne
as you mentioned, she would have been Henry II's niece (or half-niece
if you prefer).

A. There is no known daughter Ida of the marriage of Hamelin
and Isabel de Warenne.

B. The incest between Henry II and a niece would hardly have
gone unnoticed by the many chroniclers of the era.

C. Hamelin was a solid supporter of Henry, during the dire
times of the 1173 rebellion, and throughout his reign (he is found
witnessing at least one charter of Henry II in the Leiston chartulary
ca. 1185-1189). He evidently tolerated one daughter having been
ravished by his nephew John (she was the mother of Richard de Warenne,
of the 'Chilham' branch of the family); such an act by his own brother
would undoubtedly have left a different trail in the records of 12th
century England.

While it had been known for some time that the mother of William was a "countess" Ida, her identity was only recently proven. As one of two known contemporary English countesses named Ida, the wife of Roger Bigod had already been a prime candidate [see Reed (2002), which was going to press just as the crucial discovery was made]. Convincing proof of her identity as the wife of Roger Bigod was only recently discovered by Raymond W. Phair, who announced his discovery in the soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup on 3 July 2002, and then published it in The American Genealogist [Phair (2002)], citing a list of prisoners after the Battle of Bouvines in 1214, in which Ralph Bigod was called a brother of the earl of Salisbury. The parentage of Ida remains unknown, but see Reed (2002) for the possibility that she might have been a daughter of Roger de Toeni and Ida of Hainault.
Last Edited1 February 2009

George Manners

M, #12569, b. about 1465, d. 23 October 1513

Parents

FatherSir Robert Manners (b. about 1447, d. 1495)
MotherEleanor De Ros (b. 1449, d. 1487)
Pedigree Link

Biography

George Manners was born about 1465 in Of, Ethale, Northumberland, England. He and Anne Saint Leger were married about 1490. He died on 23 October 1513. He was buried at St. George's Chapel, Windsor Palace, in Windsor, Berkshire, England.
George Manners had person sources.1
Last Edited30 August 2010

Citations

  1. [S56] Extracted from LDS Ancestral File, Not to be trusted.

Anne Saint Leger

F, #12570, b. about 1466, d. 21 April 1526

Parents

FatherThomas Saint Leger (b. about 1419, d. November 1483)
MotherAnne Plantagenet (b. 10 August 1439, d. 14 January 1475/76)
Pedigree Link

Biography

Anne Saint Leger was born about 1466 in Of, Ulcombe, Kent, England. George Manners and she were married about 1490. She died on 21 April 1526. She was buried at St. George's Chapel, Windsor Palace, in Windsor, Berkshire, England.
Anne Saint Leger was baptized (infant) in of Ethale, Northumberland, England. She had person sources.1
Last Edited28 August 2010

Citations

  1. [S56] Extracted from LDS Ancestral File, Not to be trusted.